Tuesday, December 16, 2008

Non-Conf Report: The non-BCS Conferences

Yesterday I posted the BCS non-conference stats. Here's the non-BCS non-conference ones. In total, the non-BCS conferences notched just 11 wins against blue teams. That's 1 less than the ACC had by itself and the same as the Big12 had. As I've said before, parity schmarity. You would've thought they'd have more, seeing as how the MtnWest had a great year for a non-BCS conf, but check their table for the numbers.

CUSA Non-Conference Games, 2008
Week Conf Team vs/@ oConf opponent oPts oW oL Res. Score
1 East Carolina v ACC Virginia Tech 347.43 9 4 W 27-22
2 East Carolina vs BigEast West Virginia 144.18 8 4 W 24-3
3 Southern Miss @ SunBelt Arkansas State -51.75 6 6 W 27-24
5 Memphis vs SunBelt Arkansas State -51.75 6 6 W 29-17
1 Southern Miss vs SunBelt LA-Lafayette -61.26 6 6 W 51-21
11 UTEP @ SunBelt LA-Lafayette -61.26 6 6 W 37-24
4 Tulsa vs MtnWest New Mexico -142.13 4 8 W 56-14
4 Tulane vs SunBelt LA-Monroe -216.40 4 8 W 24-10
11 Rice vs Indy Army -273.81 3 9 W 38-31
2 Tulsa @ SunBelt North Texas -396.09 1 11 W 56-26
5 Rice vs SunBelt North Texas -396.09 1 11 W 77-20
5 Tulsa vs zAA Central Arkansas - 0 1 W 62-34
1 Houston vs zAA Southern U. - 0 1 W 55-3
4 Memphis vs zAA Nicholls State - 0 1 W 31-10
1 Marshall vs zAA Illinois State - 0 1 W 35-10
4 UAB vs zAA Alabama State - 0 1 W 45-10
2 SMU vs zAA Texas State-San Marcos - 0 1 W 47-36
1 Central Florida vs zAA South Carolina State - 0 2 W 17-0
2 UTEP vs Big12 Texas 510.80 11 1 L 13-42
4 Rice @ Big12 Texas 510.80 11 1 L 10-52
7 Southern Miss vs WAC Boise State 469.48 12 0 L 7-24
2 Tulane @ SEC Alabama 460.07 12 1 L 6-20
3 SMU @ Big12 Texas Tech 447.54 11 1 L 7-43
6 Marshall vs BigEast Cincinnati 401.90 11 2 L 10-33
4 SMU vs MtnWest TCU 272.51 10 2 L 7-48
4 Central Florida @ ACC Boston College 253.65 9 4 L 7-34
2 Houston @ Big12 Oklahoma State 216.63 9 3 L 37-56
1 Memphis @ SEC Mississippi 180.41 8 4 L 24-41
9 SMU @ Indy Navy 147.23 8 4 L 7-34
5 Marshall @ BigEast West Virginia 144.18 8 4 L 3-27
7 Central Florida @ ACC Miami (FL) 126.74 7 5 L 14-20
1 UTEP @ MAC Buffalo 118.02 8 5 L 17-42
3 Houston vs MtnWest Air Force 116.54 8 4 L 28-31
4 East Carolina @ ACC NC State 102.87 6 6 L 24-30
5 UAB @ SEC South Carolina 100.68 7 5 L 13-26
2 Central Florida vs BigEast South Florida 82.51 7 5 L 24-31
10 Tulane @ SEC LSU 60.71 7 5 L 10-35
2 Marshall @ Big10 Wisconsin 43.18 7 5 L 14-51
7 East Carolina @ ACC Virginia 36.10 5 7 L 20-35
3 Rice @ SEC Vanderbilt 23.15 6 6 L 21-38
4 Houston @ MtnWest Colorado State -1.56 6 6 L 25-28
2 UAB @ SunBelt Florida Atlantic -32.89 6 6 L 34-49
10 Tulsa @ SEC Arkansas -43.91 5 7 L 23-30
2 Southern Miss @ SEC Auburn -77.38 5 7 L 13-27
7 Memphis vs BigEast Louisville -82.22 5 7 L 28-35
3 UAB @ SEC Tennessee -91.02 5 7 L 3-35
4 UTEP vs WAC New Mexico State -269.98 3 9 L 33-34
6 Tulane vs Indy Army -273.81 3 9 L 13-44

The Good News: East Carolina beat two good, BCS teams in Virginia Tech and West Virginia. But those were the CUSA's only good wins. Of their bad losses, half of them came to BCS teams. So that's something. 7-1 against the SunBelt, but that doesn't say much.

The Bad News: Losses to 3-9 New Mexico State and Army. Yech. 2-21 against the BCS this year is pretty bad too.

MAC Non-Conference Games, 2008
Week Conf Team vs/@ oConf opponent oPts oW oL Res. Score
1 Bowling Green @ BigEast Pittsburgh 277.72 9 3 W 27-17
2 Ball State vs Indy Navy 147.23 8 4 W 35-23
11 Western Michigan v Big10 Illinois -34.66 5 7 W 23-17
1 Buffalo vs CUSA UTEP -94.41 5 7 W 42-17
2 Akron @ BigEast Syracuse -173.35 3 9 W 42-28
5 Bowling Green @ MtnWest Wyoming -173.43 4 8 W 45-16
7 Toledo @ Big10 Michigan -203.81 3 9 W 13-10
4 Ball State @ Big10 Indiana -210.04 3 9 W 42-20
10 Central Michigan @ Big10 Indiana -210.04 3 9 W 37-34
1 Temple @ Indy Army -273.81 3 9 W 35-7
4 Akron @ Indy Army -273.81 3 9 W 22-3
8 Buffalo vs Indy Army -273.81 3 9 W 27-24
3 Western Michigan @ WAC Idaho -316.44 2 10 W 51-28
7 Ball State @ Indy Western Kentucky -369.32 2 10 W 24-7
5 Ohio vs zAA VMI - 0 1 W 51-31
3 Kent State vs zAA Delaware State - 0 1 W 24-3
1 Central Michigan vs zAA Eastern Illinois - 0 2 W 31-12
4 Western Michigan vs zAA Tennessee Tech - 0 2 W 41-7
1 Ball State vs zAA Northeastern - 0 2 W 48-14
3 Miami (OH) vs zAA Charleston Southern - 0 2 W 38-27
1 Eastern Michigan vs zAA Indiana State - 0 2 W 52-0
4 Northern Illinois vs zAA Indiana State - 0 2 W 48-3
4 Temple @ Big10 Penn State 506.65 11 1 L 3-45
3 Bowling Green @ WAC Boise State 469.48 12 0 L 7-20
4 Miami (OH) @ BigEast Cincinnati 401.90 11 2 L 20-45
5 Akron vs BigEast Cincinnati 401.90 11 2 L 15-17
2 Ohio @ Big10 Ohio State 378.37 10 2 L 14-26
2 Buffalo @ BigEast Pittsburgh 277.72 9 3 L 16-27
1 Kent State v ACC Boston College 253.65 9 4 L 0-21
2 Central Michigan @ SEC Georgia 230.80 9 3 L 17-56
2 Eastern Michigan @ Big10 Michigan State 220.54 9 3 L 10-42
4 Buffalo @ Big12 Missouri 198.41 9 4 L 21-42
4 Ohio @ Big10 Northwestern 163.02 9 3 L 8-16
1 Western Michigan @ Big12 Nebraska 152.75 8 4 L 24-47
10 Temple @ Indy Navy 147.23 8 4 L 27-33
14 Northern Illinois vs Indy Navy 147.23 8 4 L 0-16
2 Temple vs BigEast Connecticut 103.31 7 5 L 9-12
4 Toledo vs WAC Fresno State 63.06 7 5 L 54-55
4 Eastern Michigan @ ACC Maryland 52.23 6 6 L 24-51
1 Akron @ Big10 Wisconsin 43.18 7 5 L 17-38
2 Toledo @ Pac10 Arizona 33.99 7 5 L 16-41
1 Miami (OH) vs SEC Vanderbilt 23.15 6 6 L 13-34
1 Northern Illinois @ Big10 Minnesota 19.39 7 5 L 27-31
2 Bowling Green vs Big10 Minnesota 19.39 7 5 L 17-42
4 Kent State @ SunBelt LA-Lafayette -61.26 6 6 L 27-44
6 Northern Illinois @ SEC Tennessee -91.02 5 7 L 9-13
4 Central Michigan @ Big10 Purdue -107.74 4 8 L 25-32
5 Toledo vs SunBelt FL International -116.85 5 7 L 16-35
1 Ohio @ MtnWest Wyoming -173.43 4 8 L 20-21
2 Miami (OH) @ Big10 Michigan -203.81 3 9 L 6-16
7 Eastern Michigan @ Indy Army -273.81 3 9 L 13-17
2 Kent State @ Big12 Iowa State -312.39 2 10 L 28-48

The Good News: 6 wins against the BCS conferences is decent, but only one of those teams (Pitt) was over .500. 4-9 against the Big10 is acceptable too, compared to past years. Only 4 losses to red, non-BCS teams.

The Bad News: 22 losses to the BCS conferences, but props for playing them that much.

MtnWest Non-Conference Games, 2008
Week Conf Team vs/@ oConf opponent oPts oW oL Res. Score
6 Utah vs Pac10 Oregon State 190.34 8 4 W 31-28
3 Air Force @ CUSA Houston 68.00 7 5 W 31-28
4 Colorado State vs CUSA Houston 68.00 7 5 W 28-25
3 New Mexico vs Pac10 Arizona 33.99 7 5 W 36-28
3 TCU vs Pac10 Stanford -56.12 5 7 W 31-14
11 Wyoming @ SEC Tennessee -91.02 5 7 W 13-7
3 UNLV @ Pac10 Arizona State -95.17 5 7 W 23-20
3 Brigham Young vs Pac10 UCLA -139.33 4 8 W 59-0
1 Wyoming vs MAC Ohio -164.35 4 8 W 21-20
1 UNLV vs WAC Utah State -184.14 3 9 W 27-17
3 Utah @ WAC Utah State -184.14 3 9 W 58-10
6 Brigham Young @ WAC Utah State -184.14 3 9 W 34-14
1 Utah @ Big10 Michigan -203.81 3 9 W 25-23
5 New Mexico @ WAC New Mexico State -269.98 3 9 W 35-24
10 Air Force @ Indy Army -273.81 3 9 W 16-7
4 UNLV vs Big12 Iowa State -312.39 2 10 W 34-31
5 San Diego State vs WAC Idaho -316.44 2 10 W 45-17
4 TCU @ CUSA SMU -377.91 1 11 W 48-7
2 Brigham Young @ Pac10 Washington -422.21 0 12 W 28-27
2 TCU vs zAA Stephen F. Austin - 0 1 W 67-7
1 Brigham Young vs zAA Northern Iowa - 0 1 W 41-17
1 Air Force vs zAA Southern Utah - 0 1 W 41-7
2 Colorado State vs zAA Sacramento State - 0 1 W 23-20
5 Utah vs zAA Weber State - 0 2 W 37-21
3 Wyoming vs zAA North Dakota State - 0 1 W 16-13
5 TCU @ Big12 Oklahoma 663.98 12 1 L 10-35
4 New Mexico @ CUSA Tulsa 180.52 10 3 L 14-56
5 Colorado State @ Pac10 California 160.52 8 4 L 7-42
6 Air Force vs Indy Navy 147.23 8 4 L 27-33
5 UNLV vs WAC Nevada 34.12 7 5 L 27-49
2 San Diego State @ Indy Notre Dame -7.99 6 6 L 13-21
3 San Diego State @ WAC San Jose State -37.52 6 6 L 10-35
5 Wyoming vs MAC Bowling Green -47.49 6 6 L 16-45
1 Colorado State v Big12 Colorado -63.26 5 7 L 17-38
2 New Mexico vs Big12 Texas A&M -153.02 4 8 L 22-28
1 San Diego State vs zAA Cal Poly SLO - 1 1 L 27-29

The Good News: We all know about the 6-1 vs the Pac10. Excellent, even though the Pac10 was down this year. 6 of the 9 teams lost just 1 or 0 non-conf games this year too, which is good. Two wins @ Michigan & @ Tennessee were against bad teams, but winning in those stadiums is solid.

The Bad News: Take out the Pac10 and the MtnWest's best wins were against 7-5 Houston, 5-7 Tennessee, and 4-8 Ohio. Some bad losses too, including Notre Dame, San Jose State, and Bowling Green. The loss to Cal Poly-SLO is inexcusable. Their average opponent in their wins (not even including the I-AA teams) was 4-8 and lost -153.40 pts.

SunBelt Non-Conference Games, 2008
Week Conf Team vs/@ oConf opponent oPts oW oL Res. Score
2 Middle TN State vs ACC Maryland 52.23 6 6 W 24-14
1 Arkansas State @ Big12 Texas A&M -153.02 4 8 W 18-14
2 Florida Atlantic vs CUSA UAB -166.76 4 8 W 49-34
4 LA-Lafayette vs MAC Kent State -204.26 4 8 W 44-27
5 FL International @ MAC Toledo -230.71 3 9 W 35-16
8 Florida Atlantic @ Indy Western Kentucky -369.32 2 10 W 24-20
10 North Texas @ Indy Western Kentucky -369.32 2 10 W 51-40
11 Troy vs Indy Western Kentucky -369.32 2 10 W 17-7
12 Middle TN State @ Indy Western Kentucky -369.32 2 10 W 21-10
15 FL International vs Indy Western Kentucky -369.32 2 10 W 27-3
2 Arkansas State vs zAA Texas Southern - 0 1 W 83-10
3 LA-Monroe vs zAA Alabama A&M - 0 1 W 37-15
3 Troy vs zAA Alcorn State - 0 2 W 65-0
1 Florida Atlantic @ Big12 Texas 510.80 11 1 L 10-52
10 Arkansas State @ SEC Alabama 460.07 12 1 L 0-35
4 Troy @ Big10 Ohio State 378.37 10 2 L 10-28
3 Florida Atlantic @ Big10 Michigan State 220.54 9 3 L 0-17
5 Troy @ Big12 Oklahoma State 216.63 9 3 L 24-55
2 North Texas vs CUSA Tulsa 180.52 10 3 L 26-56
12 LA-Monroe @ SEC Mississippi 180.41 8 4 L 0-59
5 North Texas @ CUSA Rice 160.13 9 3 L 20-77
2 FL International @ Big10 Iowa 150.39 8 4 L 0-42
4 FL International vs BigEast South Florida 82.51 7 5 L 9-17
1 FL International @ Big12 Kansas 81.58 7 5 L 10-40
3 North Texas @ SEC LSU 60.71 7 5 L 3-41
12 Troy @ SEC LSU 60.71 7 5 L 31-40
4 Florida Atlantic @ Big10 Minnesota 19.39 7 5 L 3-37
3 Middle TN State @ SEC Kentucky -15.68 6 6 L 14-20
1 LA-Lafayette @ CUSA Southern Miss -33.64 6 6 L 21-51
3 Arkansas State vs CUSA Southern Miss -33.64 6 6 L 24-27
3 LA-Lafayette @ Big10 Illinois -34.66 5 7 L 17-20
2 LA-Monroe @ SEC Arkansas -43.91 5 7 L 27-28
1 LA-Monroe @ SEC Auburn -77.38 5 7 L 0-34
5 Arkansas State @ CUSA Memphis -78.38 6 6 L 17-29
8 Middle TN State @ BigEast Louisville -82.22 5 7 L 23-42
11 LA-Lafayette vs CUSA UTEP -94.41 5 7 L 24-37
1 North Texas @ Big12 Kansas State -95.57 5 7 L 6-45
5 LA-Lafayette @ Big12 Kansas State -95.57 5 7 L 37-45
9 Middle TN State @ SEC Mississippi State -143.31 4 8 L 22-31

The Good News: If your team was at -150 points or less, the Sun Belt beat you.

The Bad News: With one exception, if your team earned -150 points or more, you beat the Sun Belt.

WAC Non-Conference Games, 2008
Week Conf Team vs/@ oConf opponent oPts oW oL Res. Score
4 Boise State @ Pac10 Oregon 207.78 9 3 W 37-32
1 Fresno State @ BigEast Rutgers 118.18 7 5 W 24-7
7 Boise State @ CUSA Southern Miss -33.64 6 6 W 24-7
3 Boise State vs MAC Bowling Green -47.49 6 6 W 20-7
4 New Mexico State @ CUSA UTEP -94.41 5 7 W 34-33
5 Nevada @ MtnWest UNLV -108.41 5 7 W 49-27
5 Fresno State @ Pac10 UCLA -139.33 4 8 W 36-31
1 Louisiana Tech vs SEC Mississippi State -143.31 4 8 W 22-14
4 Fresno State @ MAC Toledo -230.71 3 9 W 55-54
14 Hawaii vs Pac10 Washington State -320.71 2 11 W 24-10
3 San Jose State vs MtnWest San Diego State -330.21 2 10 W 35-10
1 Nevada vs zAA Grambling State - 0 1 W 49-13
1 San Jose State vs zAA UC-Davis - 0 1 W 13-10
2 Hawaii vs zAA Weber State - 0 2 W 36-17
4 Louisiana Tech vs zAA SE Louisiana State - 0 2 W 41-26
1 Boise State vs zAA Idaho State - 0 2 W 49-7
2 Idaho vs zAA Idaho State - 0 2 W 42-27
6 New Mexico State vs zAA Alcorn State - 0 2 W 45-10
1 Hawaii @ SEC Florida 607.51 12 1 L 10-56
3 Utah State vs MtnWest Utah 520.04 12 0 L 10-58
2 Nevada vs Big12 Texas Tech 447.54 11 1 L 19-35
15 Hawaii vs BigEast Cincinnati 401.90 11 2 L 24-29
6 Utah State vs MtnWest Brigham Young 220.45 10 2 L 14-34
2 Utah State @ Pac10 Oregon 207.78 9 3 L 24-66
3 Nevada @ Big12 Missouri 198.41 9 4 L 17-69
3 Hawaii @ Pac10 Oregon State 190.34 8 4 L 7-45
3 Idaho vs MAC Western Michigan 167.71 9 3 L 28-51
2 San Jose State @ Big12 Nebraska 152.75 8 4 L 12-35
3 New Mexico State @ Big12 Nebraska 152.75 8 4 L 7-38
2 Louisiana Tech @ Big12 Kansas 81.58 7 5 L 0-29
3 Fresno State vs Big10 Wisconsin 43.18 7 5 L 10-13
1 Idaho @ Pac10 Arizona 33.99 7 5 L 0-70
4 San Jose State @ Pac10 Stanford -56.12 5 7 L 10-23
1 Utah State @ MtnWest UNLV -108.41 5 7 L 17-27
5 New Mexico State vs MtnWest New Mexico -142.13 4 8 L 24-35
9 Louisiana Tech @ Indy Army -273.81 3 9 L 7-14
5 Idaho @ MtnWest San Diego State -330.21 2 10 L 17-45

The Good News: Two wins over blue BCS-conf teams, @ Oregon & @ Rutgers. 1-1 vs the BigEast and SEC, 3-4 vs the Pac10.

The Bad News: 7 of the WAC's 18 wins came against I-AA opponents. Only Boise State and Fresno State were over .500 in non-conf games.

2 comments:

Jams said...

Do any of these stack up favorably against any of the BCS conferences (like, say, the Big East)?

Ed Gunther said...

Well, it kinda depends on what you're looking at. Overall, they stack up pretty well with either the Big10 or the BigEast. Few good wins, lotsa wins over red teams, some bad losses, not many games against BCS-conf teams.

I think they were seen as strong this year based on their domination of the Pac10, but their overall body of work non-conference-wise isn't that impressive. At least to me. But that's not a huge criticism of just them - I'm not too impressed with any conference's stats here. Too many games against too many bad teams, win or lose.